Wednesday, January 18, 2006

That's No Way to Treat a Lady

After our big long discussion from yesterday, and listening to Kat and W. talk about their work-place experiences, it suddenly dawns on me that there's a way that chivalry plays in that I haven't heard anyone talk about. So, I'm going to. If necessary, we can come back to the ways in which chivalry is oppressive, but let's skip over that for a moment. Instead, let's acknowledge that most men who, in their every day lives, treat women differently than men do so, not out of a hatred of women, but out of a deep caring for women. Chivalrous behavior--like paying for everything, being protective of us, opening doors for us, lifting heavy things for us, etc.--is not consciously a way of reminding us of all the things we don't do that men do (make shit-tons of money, move safely out in the world, have great upper-body strength)*, but instead are perceived as courteous ways of anticipating the ways the world is perceived as being unfair to women**. If you look closely, you can see that these are almost identical positions, the only difference being that one is ass-hole behavior and the other is attempting a deep kindness**. It seems to me that one point we're at in the bigger discussion of what it means that women are supposed to just be a regular part of the workplace is that a lot of us are conflating those two positions and a few of us are exploiting that conflation. Okay, let's see if I can explain that better. Feminism is, in general, about equality for men and women and changing everyone's attitudes so that can happen. A lot of men (and some women), I suspect, think that feminism is about assuming that all men are assholes and punishing them for it. Maybe I'm wrong, but thinking of it this way, suddenly the complaint that "women want to be treated special; they want special protections; they want all this pampering that men don't get" makes perfect sense. Can we use math to illustrate my point? Sure, what's one more chance to fail spectacularly? Let's say that men figure they start out with no extra privileges in life. They assign themselves a "0". They see that "nature" is unfair to women; that women already start out at "-1" and so they are chivalrous towards women, because they care about women and want to even things up and get women to a fair "0". But, if women insist on being treated equally, insist that the world is no longer unfair to us, I can't help but wonder if some of y'all feel like this actually gets us to "+1" because y'all have never considered that you can stop being chivalrous to every woman you encounter. You think we're demanding "special" rights because it hasn't occurred to you that one of the side benefits of equality will be that you can change your behavior. You don't have to be chivalrous to every woman. You can save that for someone special... Like a dear aunt you love to spoil. *Folks, if I even have to point out the ways these are broad generalizations, I'm going to be very disappointed. **And, I'm sure that you can see how hard it is for women, even feminists, to always judge which position a man is taking when he behaves certain ways.

5 Comments:

Blogger Kat Coble said...

Personally I'm a big fan of chivalry, in so far as it is a branch of common courtesy--of which I generally tend to be a fan. (Even on the days when I don't exhibit it as well as I ought. Sorry about that...)

The thing with your equation and the conflation of working mothers is that it often appears as though some working mothers believe their status puts them at a -2, and motherhood by all rights should elevate them to a +2. They (not all, but a few that I either work for or spent much time at Christmas with because they are married to my brother) expect the rest of the world to deal them a "4" in courtesy/chivalry to move them from the perceived negative to the perceived positive.

Or, killing the math--which I find cumbersome at times--they think their status as parents makes them "more equal than others." It als makes them more disadvantaged than others, so they want the extra-extra-special treatment.

Perhaps this conversation comes too quick on the heels of Christmas for me. Days and days of watching my sister in law do absoloutley nothing except sit on the couch because she is the mother of my brother's children is grating. I think it's fantastic that my parents raised us to be kind to others, and raised their sons to be chivalrous. I just bristle at those who sniff out those qualities and then take advantage. Whether it's my employer or my brother's wife.

1/18/2006 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger Exador said...

I always strive to make sure that the women in life at least get to a fair "o", and preferably a big "O" or two, before me

Now that's Chivalry!

1/18/2006 07:56:00 PM  
Blogger Aunt B said...

I've tried with all my might to think of something witty to say in response, but I got nothing.

1/18/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger Um...why? said...

I wanted to type a response here, but it started getting kinda lengthy like mycropht's so I thought I'd just say, I responded on my blog, and linked to yours for people to read...hope this doesn't bother you, just didn't want to clutter yours with my ramblings.

http://vocalsilence.blogspot.com

1/20/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger Aunt B said...

Cool. Either way. I'm all for lengthy rambly responses and for sending people on blog adventures.

1/20/2006 08:26:00 AM  

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